what do you think?

its been suggested that i have brutally ripped off the killswitch, i feel its as similar to it as a drop race is to a demonseed, the concept behind it is obviously the same and to be honest if i had not stood on a killswitch it probably would not have come about, but i feel they are two different boards like a landy evo and a kebbek caften, similar in concept but different in design.

so what does the general public here think, should i keep em comming or am i bringing us aussies into disripute?

don't be shy, i've got broad shoulders and thick skin

(olly, i already know you think glyde sucks dick, thats cool, maybe i do?)

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Permalink Reply by Brad B on February 19, 2010 at 22:09

geez,
next thing you know, Coast Longboarding will be claiming someone stole their downhill logo
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Permalink Reply by Ryan 'RY RY' Peterson on February 19, 2010 at 22:14

keep em comin pete!
anyon1 who wants to cry over can cry!
i ride a DILLIGRAF! (what does that mean?)

Permalink Reply by Elliot O on February 19, 2010 at 22:38

Oh snap!
This must be what happened! Hahahahaha
Pete, even if you did rip-off the concave (and i'm not saying you did) wouldn't that just make some competition for the Killswitch? Therefore everybody starts turning out better, more improved boards?

I think, "who cares?" I think you have made a rad board and maybe K-rimes is a bit jealous....?
Keep up the good work

Joe said:

Yess indeed that. He was complaining about glyde, who have only sold a few boards out of Australia and main buisness is is in Aus. I think he should have a real think about! He must of seen the picture from moth, with Leeso riding the glyde crossing the infront of Daddow on a Killswitch.

Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Adam on February 19, 2010 at 22:44

aren't there other w concaves around? The avenger and about ten oter raynes all have em, s9 sunset has em After looking at the specs of the kill swithch to use as a guide for my own build and the pics really careful and reading pete's description of his dilligraf or what ever it is. they are obviously different. pete has described the back foot area of the concave as being very different to that of the front, if you look at the various shots in this pic it looks like the kill swich has a section of single concave for the front and back foot area. it looks the same width all the way but pete's is not "w cave is wider at the front to fill the arch of your foot, the w cave tapers to the rear to leave various options for rear foot placement." pete's nose and tail are way different and the pic from RY RY's page (pure gnarishness) apears to sugest some concave extending through the nose, length is different, wheel base is fixed(kswitch adjustable), different timber, IT'S NOT A RIP OFF! if i can get a W concave in my back yard they are never gunna own the concept its out there already.

Permalink Reply by Michael English on February 19, 2010 at 23:29

i think they look completely different... All it needs is GLYDE in phat letters on the bottom

Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Ching on February 19, 2010 at 23:49

from the looks of pictures people have posted up i have to say the first thing that came to mind is "it looks like a killswitch". but that being said, i've never ridden either boards so i can't comment whether its a "ripoff" of a killswitch.

every company copies each other. every new board evolves from a previous board made. someone sees a board from company x, they think hey this is pretty cool but i think it would be cooler if i did this instead of this, if i made it a bit wider and put more concave in the back etc...

thinking from kevin's perspective, if i've been working on my own pro board for years and see a bunch of copies coming out i would be pissed too. but thats how it works in this industry. you can get upset but there really isnt anything you can do about it.

so really almost every new board that comes out is a rip off of some board.

Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Ian Coggan on February 20, 2010 at 0:59

who cares!! make boards how you want to, if you sell them, well done. if you don't, it will still be more experience. just have fun

Permalink Reply by Ryan 'RY RY' Peterson on February 20, 2010 at 5:54

altho many people have said to my new glyde ohh can i see the killswitch glyde and wow this is exactly the same as the killlswitch!
i will always say but 1: glyde is ozzie
2: glyde is cheaper!
3: produces better boards!
4: pete hill is a rad guy!

Permalink Reply by Robbo on February 20, 2010 at 6:57

While they may have applied for a patent there is absolutely no chance they will or could get it. A center concave in wood has already been done 1000 times before and there is no where near enough technology involved. Imagine somebody trying to patent camber they would sit on the file for six months and then laugh at the applicant, bending wood has been done since before the stone age and there is nothing new about that. They could try to trademark the name attached to the design but there is no chance of a patent it simply does not work like that.

The cost of an international patent on anything is enormous (think in the 100k range just as a starting point) and even more prohibitive to try to enforce outside of ones own country and legal system. To convince the patent office that you invented concave on wood is ridiculous. I'm not sure what original invented technology Rayne may have in mind but it is unlikely they have anything that would be considered original enough for an international patent. Pressing shapes is not considered invention. They would have a better chance with trademark but that purely relates to branding not technology. So if you called your board the Hayne Gillswitch and it looked the same than there may be an enforceable trademark but not patent.

On a side note there are many versions of the randal now and all this has done is to increase sales of randal to historic highs. As board manufacturers adopt different concaves you will see rayne also sell boards at historic highs. This is all very flattering to Rayne and should be viewed as such

pete hill said:

just checked out the silverfish post, interesting despite the loading times of the pages due to the massive animated ads, I'll get some advice in the morning from those in the know about patents and how they apply, my understanding is that if they were in the process of patending the killswitch there would have had to be some notice about that attached to images and data relevant to the board in question.

Permalink Reply by Adrian Alderson on February 20, 2010 at 8:53

Pete,

I have only read the first and last pages of this thread, so may be repeating stuff here.

If you had taken a Killswitch and pulled a mould off it, then you would have blatently ripped off their design.

If you have looked at their concave and said, "hey that's a good idea" and then worked up your own version of it, then that is development and improvement (at least in your opinion) of the original design, which was a development on the original W cave, which was a development on the original concave, which was ...........

Your boards are yours and yours alone.

Tell Krimesy to go F#$K himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My 2 cents worth

Ado

ASRA AdminPermalink Reply by Bugs on February 20, 2010 at 9:05

Robbo said:

While they may have applied for a patent there is absolutely no chance they will or could get it

The US Patent Office is understaffed, overworked, and spends little time researching whether patent applications really are new or inventive. Shit that's been done a million times before gets patented very day. Basically the patent system is completely broken - companies stock up on patents as defensive moves in a patent arms race, but it's rare for anybody to sue over them. I've worked at companies where employees were required to come up with two patents every year, and those employees would scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with ideas that were trivial and had been done before, but it didn't matter - they got patented.

I agree that that this sort of copying helps Rayne. A slice of their pie might go to the copiers, but that's compensated for because the pie has got a lot bigger. And everybody else gets to eat more pie.

Premium MemberPermalink Reply by sean meaney on February 20, 2010 at 11:34

keep em coming mate, i have openly said that kevin is full of shit on this one which in my opinion is, copying a concave is utter bullshit, its like s9 saying rayne should stop making most of their 09 boards because they where doing a p-dome on the bamboo shipsters and w caves on alot of their other boards first. Ripping off a concave does not mean they are ripping off a board, its just another great company doing something to refine a good idea and offer the consumers something thats abit different and might fit their needs better. Longboarding is a manufacturer saturated market and because of that the consumer has a huge amount of choice and can often find the perfect board for their needs, glyde is just offering something for those who want a good quality aussie deck with a modern shape

what do you think?

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