KOOKIES or KAHALANIS on a HELLCAT???
was looking at the 200's and 204's.. which would be best for a hellcat? cheers!
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Jacko on -
Owen came down to the snowy mountains in march, frist real downhill sessions for him. he lives in canberra, the land of no hills... he was riding a hellcat with randals and stock randal bushings (those red cone ones) and he hit 92k's down guthega on them... BOOM take that grommets...
like i said flashy equipment does not make u a better skater, it does not make you faster and it doesnt improve your skill. sure it all feels good but whats it all worth if you dont know how to use it?
just like slalom, they have all these funky expensive trucks out there on the market but fuck if u dont know how to slalom theres know way you will be able to ride any of it...
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by sean meaney on -
gear dont matter for shit, i do slalom on my pool deck with some dif wheels, and i ride force's for DH. CNC IS NOT A NEED ITS A STUPID STATUS SYMBOL THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY NEED TO HAVE, cnc is not needed its not even nececarly better then cast because they feel different and its all personal preference I have ridden smokies and kookys and would not fork out that much money for them unless i was racing full time and even then i would be hard pressed to justify it. Dont waste your money, you want some more stability get some different base plates or a few wedge risers or a new set of bushings, if your asking about CNC then odds on your not riding enough to need it (which no one does)
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Permalink Reply by Gilbert on
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ok sean i can't stand this anymore, you're so full of it, when you rode ching's and fendy's trucks (and you didn't ride them fast or hard enough to notice the difference anyway), you were drooling over them and said you'd get a set if you had the cash. so don't be hypocritical online and tell everyone else that you think precision trucks are shit, cause you made it clear that you think they're awesome to us.
honestly really i've nothing against these ppl spending their money with precisions, its their money, so let them do it. But seriously guys do your own research about the trucks, there's info on all these trucks all over the internet, reviews and all that jazz. So stop posting kooky vs kahas vs smokies vs munkaes cause you're cluttering the forum and making everyone all agitated.
sean meaney said:gear dont matter for shit, i do slalom on my pool deck with some dif wheels, and i ride force's for DH. CNC IS NOT A NEED ITS A STUPID STATUS SYMBOL THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY NEED TO HAVE, cnc is not needed its not even nececarly better then cast because they feel different and its all personal preference I have ridden smokies and kookys and would not fork out that much money for them unless i was racing full time and even then i would be hard pressed to justify it. Dont waste your money, you want some more stability get some different base plates or a few wedge risers or a new set of bushings, if your asking about CNC then odds on your not riding enough to need it (which no one does)
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Fendy on -
haha sean, u just told me 3 days ago that you're getting ur dad to get u a set of aeras
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by sean meaney on -
Dad was TOYING with the idea, as he is not a man to fuck around, who the fuck is going to say to his parents 'no dont buy me these new hyped up trucks' its ok to drool over trucks because of the cost. CNC is like a Maserarti, you dont need it but fuck its nice, it might not be the nicest car to drive but fuck it looks sexy and you just want them because of the status symbol.
Fendy said:haha sean, u just told me 3 days ago that you're getting ur dad to get u a set of aeras
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Permalink Reply by Robbo on
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sean meaney said:gear dont matter for shit, i do slalom on my pool deck with some dif wheels
CNC trucks in slalom make a massive difference to how well you ride. They make a useless f@#K able to slalom and make a mediocre guy competitive and a good guy better. The difference that CNC makes in slalom is massive and should not be underestimated, you simply cannot compete for a place in a race without them. This is because how your truck and bushing combination run make up a huge percentage of how well you perform.
The difference it makes in DH is less but for the average punter it makes a difference. The difference is less because there are other factors in DH that effect a riders performance that is not as relevant in slalom, such as, your tuck, the rd surface, how nervous you may be at speed, drafting, the fact you tend to group ride which uses other peoples speed to carry you along (think the peleton in the tour de France, Lance Armstrong is there and so is the guy who finishes 300th but the group tends to push everybody along regardless) it would make a greater difference in a time trial like slalom. This makes the truck a less percentage of the contributing factor in DH. However, you need to look at the way they make them and there is a reason why they are called precision.
When you get a cast truck lets say randal with a 50 degree plate, it may actually be 49 or 51 or 53 this kinda happens with cast trucks. There may be more weight on one side of the truck due to un-even pouring of the cast or the pivot may be crooked and slightly off center. From mold to mold the bushing seat may not fit the bushing as well on each truck and you may be required to grind it out the make it level. they tend to come with non-precision axles so your wheels will likely chatter more because the tolerance is greater around the bearing, forcing you to really lock it down hard to stop the wheel moving unevenly. The axles themselves may not be dead straight which will create extra friction on the bearing which will slow you down on the long straights. The pivot may or may not be dead center which will make the truck uneven. The strength of a cnc truck makes it less likely to bend or break which happens to cast trucks all the time. You could smash a cnc plate into concrete and it may break but it may also be able to smash into that concrete a thousand times and not break or bend. If you do that with a cast truck it will likely shatter. You will only pay 90-100 bucks for these trucks so you get what you pay for which is fine. If you pay more for cnc you are hopefully paying for these things to occur less often.
When you get a CNC truck and plate you are getting a guarantee that all the measurements are correct within 100s and 1000s of an inch. When you get a cast truck you get a guarantee that they look similar.
Remember that most of the top guys that ride with cast trucks are also sponsored by those brands. They do haul on those trucks but you would expect them to cause they are the best of the best. There may also be a reason why every world champion in the last 5 years has won on precision trucks and most of the top guys ride on these.
Most of you guys where not around when all we had to DH with was randal cast trucks. These worked fine for the purpose and with some tweaking were as stable as you wanted them to be. In 2002 I think Magun came out with the $1000 cnc truck which was 20 times more expansive than randals at the time. We are now spoiled for choice and the CNC is comparatively much cheaper, a cnc may be as little as 3-4 time more expansive.
Almost all the guys commenting here ride DH with CNC trucks so bare that in mind. Cast trucks are fine for DH if that's what your budget is but if you have the dollars to splash on some cnc it is very unlikely you will feel disappointed. Every rider I know that has upgraded to a cnc truck has been stoked with it (except Benbro and his constantly grinding smokey kingpin...lol).
The difference between us and street skaters is that we look at the minute differences in everything from the urethane quality and shape in our wheels and bushings to the composite makeup of our boards to the shape, weight and field of vision in our helmets and the precision, angles and quality of our trucks
Get the Kaha's bro they are an awesome truck, are super light weight and have the best feeling turn on the market (you can't get kookys at the moment).
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Permalink Reply by stephen.mhsrider on
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i think robbo just closed this case
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Permalink Reply by Hamish on
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Sean read Robbo's speall carefully. It is "solid" information.
Come to a few ASRA events and I'm sure you will see the light.
Like anything in life "You get what you pay for".
Now my ability just needs to catch up to my gear:)
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Permalink Reply by Arvin on
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WELL SAID! cheers m8! lol
Robbo said:sean meaney said:gear dont matter for shit, i do slalom on my pool deck with some dif wheels
CNC trucks in slalom make a massive difference to how well you ride. They make a useless f@#K able to slalom and make a mediocre guy competitive and a good guy better. The difference that CNC makes in slalom is massive and should not be underestimated, you simply cannot compete for a place in a race without them. This is because how your truck and bushing combination run make up a huge percentage of how well you perform.
The difference it makes in DH is less but for the average punter it makes a difference. The difference is less because there are other factors in DH that effect a riders performance that is not as relevant in slalom, such as, your tuck, the rd surface, how nervous you may be at speed, drafting, the fact you tend to group ride which uses other peoples speed to carry you along (think the peleton in the tour de France, Lance Armstrong is there and so is the guy who finishes 300th but the group tends to push everybody along regardless) it would make a greater difference in a time trial like slalom. This makes the truck a less percentage of the contributing factor in DH. However, you need to look at the way they make them and there is a reason why they are called precision.
When you get a cast truck lets say randal with a 50 degree plate, it may actually be 49 or 51 or 53 this kinda happens with cast trucks. There may be more weight on one side of the truck due to un-even pouring of the cast or the pivot may be crooked and slightly off center. From mold to mold the bushing seat may not fit the bushing as well on each truck and you may be required to grind it out the make it level. they tend to come with non-precision axles so your wheels will likely chatter more because the tolerance is greater around the bearing, forcing you to really lock it down hard to stop the wheel moving unevenly. The axles themselves may not be dead straight which will create extra friction on the bearing which will slow you down on the long straights. The pivot may or may not be dead center which will make the truck uneven. The strength of a cnc truck makes it less likely to bend or break which happens to cast trucks all the time. You could smash a cnc plate into concrete and it may break but it may also be able to smash into that concrete a thousand times and not break or bend. If you do that with a cast truck it will likely shatter. You will only pay 90-100 bucks for these trucks so you get what you pay for which is fine. If you pay more for cnc you are hopefully paying for these things to occur less often.
When you get a CNC truck and plate you are getting a guarantee that all the measurements are correct within 100s and 1000s of an inch. When you get a cast truck you get a guarantee that they look similar.
Remember that most of the top guys that ride with cast trucks are also sponsored by those brands. They do haul on those trucks but you would expect them to cause they are the best of the best. There may also be a reason why every world champion in the last 5 years has won on precision trucks and most of the top guys ride on these.
Most of you guys where not around when all we had to DH with was randal cast trucks. These worked fine for the purpose and with some tweaking were as stable as you wanted them to be. In 2002 I think Magun came out with the $1000 cnc truck which was 20 times more expansive than randals at the time. We are now spoiled for choice and the CNC is comparatively much cheaper, a cnc may be as little as 3-4 time more expansive.
Almost all the guys commenting here ride DH with CNC trucks so bare that in mind. Cast trucks are fine for DH if that's what your budget is but if you have the dollars to splash on some cnc it is very unlikely you will feel disappointed. Every rider I know that has upgraded to a cnc truck has been stoked with it (except Benbro and his constantly grinding smokey kingpin...lol).
The difference between us and street skaters is that we look at the minute differences in everything from the urethane quality and shape in our wheels and bushings to the composite makeup of our boards to the shape, weight and field of vision in our helmets and the precision, angles and quality of our trucks
Get the Kaha's bro they are an awesome truck, are super light weight and have the best feeling turn on the market (you can't get kookys at the moment).
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