Stopping
Ok, you probably have a post somewhere in the archives about this already. But what the heck.
You are cruising down a hill doing probably 40km + and a car pulls out in front of you and you have to stop fast! What is the bast way. I have come from the old school when we had stalling blocks on short boards. I learn't on a Surfer Sam back in the early 70's.
You are cruising down a hill doing probably 40km + and a car pulls out in front of you and you have to stop fast! What is the bast way. I have come from the old school when we had stalling blocks on short boards. I learn't on a Surfer Sam back in the early 70's.
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Fitz on -
Its commonly known as the Brazilian Footbrake.
Like sean said though it takes longer to get into position to execute. Not so good for emergencies.
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Richard Cooke on -
I am like BJ, 70's skater only getting into downhill now. Originally Mongo push but a few years back learnt to push both feet and predominately push back foot now. I too was practicing footbraking yesterday and stacked quite bad trying. I have no trouble with a few kmh but as soon as I add some speed i start to loose it. Anyway I have 2 questions.
1. Would learning to ride at some speed with just the front foot on the board be a good first step before you attempt to put your foot down?
2. How much does the tightness of your trucks influence the stability of your board when there is just one foot on it while footbraking?. - (BJ hope you don't mind asking this on your thread.)
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ASRA AdminPermalink Reply by Bugs on -
When I learnt to footbrake I concentrated on:
1) Making sure my front foot was positioned right in the centre of the board, neither heelside or toeside, and then
2) Lifting my rear foot off the board slowly and cautiously, and placing it on the ground slowly and cautiously.
The two parts were quite separate in my mind, and I would remind myself not rush either of them. It took me a while before I could do the whole operation as a quick, one-piece maneouvre.
Of course it needs to be quick to be useful in an emergency, but like everything, that takes practice.
Tighter trucks will make it easier, at least in your head.
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by BJ on -
Not a prob Richard.
OK I get it now.
I have to don my helmet, gloves, knee and elbow pads. Grab my board, eagerly run out the front door. Push up my street with my back foot, looking like an epileptic octopus. Jump on my board at the top. Do 1 push mongo, 2 push normal (since when did the original, old way of pushing with your front foot become the MONGO way!!!!) anyway, keep pushing this way until I get speed up, only looking part mongo. Balance on my front foot whilst holding my back foot off the ground, like a dog trying to urinate whilst on a longboard, and do this for a couple of days. Meanwhile the neighbours are gathering on their front lawns with a beer and a video camera. Just waiting for the moment they know is coming. The sad sack of a 48 year old man looking like a goose and stacking it big time. And then seeing myself on Funniest Home Video as the major goose that won them first prize. :)))))
Richard C said:I am like BJ, 70's skater only getting into downhill now. Originally Mongo push but a few years back learnt to push both feet and predominately push back foot now. I too was practicing footbraking yesterday and stacked quite bad trying. I have no trouble with a few kmh but as soon as I add some speed i start to loose it. Anyway I have 2 questions.
1. Would learning to ride at some speed with just the front foot on the board be a good first step before you attempt to put your foot down?
2. How much does the tightness of your trucks influence the stability of your board when there is just one foot on it while footbraking?. - (BJ hope you don't mind asking this on your thread.)
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Benbro on -
yes learning to balance on your front foot whilst brushing your back foot lightly along the road is a good way to get the feel for footbraking,... having all the balance and control on your front foot
over time you will sub conciously kno were the road is and will be able to get it down smooth,then apply more pressure down if needed,avoiding mis judging your footplacement and having things go wrong..
outside of racing we dont footbrake much,because if its a gnarly enough section of road that requires a footbrake its usually way safer to just airbrake and carve into it earlier and concentrate on taking a safe survival line,rather than racing in and ending up on a line to certain doom.....
riding a hill that has some traffic calls for way different tactics than racing a closed road,..
i usually ride my front truck reasonably loose due to this,but in a situation were high speed footbrakes are necessary i tighten my front for a bit more stability.,,so yes a bit tighter front than usual would benefit you.
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Shannon on -
Hi BJ, I too am an old school skater who still pushes mongo but now footbreaks normally. When people first told me to footbreak non mong, I told them they were dreaming and that it would never happen. However it feels very solid and normal now days. I never even tried to get the hang on the normal push.
Things that I found along the way were:
* Too much weight on the back foot in general, meaning the board tried to turn the moment I tried to lift my back foot. I learnt to place more weight on the front foot, so just get the hang of lifting the back foot for a moment.
* Slippery soles better then grippy ones (grippy ones will try to make you do the splits should you accidentally put too much weight onto it)
* Low (45 degree or less) Baseplate on the back truck with the normal one on the front (Less turney and more stable)
* Ensure your board is wider then the wheels as it helps prevent your back wheel from hitting your foot should it get too far back
* when lowering your foot to the ground/doing the footbreak, it helps to brace it against the board
* Dont piss fart around, get the foot to the ground (more stable then just hanging over the side), do the break and get it back (or foot break to a complete stop)
* The lower the board, the easier it is to footbreak.
The only issue that I have is pushing mong + footbreaking normal sometimes means I cant stomp the footbreak if I happen to be pushing. I need to take the time to swap sides prior to being able to footbreak.
Im no guru on this matter, but that is some of the things I have discovered during my journey.
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Permalink Reply by Ryan 'RY RY' Peterson on
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"First you must learn to stack.
Second you must learn to footbreak.
Third you must learn to slide.
Once you have conquered all 3, you can skate the most gnarly of hills"
-Benbro
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by BJ on -
OK
This opens another discussion.
WHAT IS THE CORRECT WAY TO STACK IF THAT IS THE FIRST STEP?
Ryan 'RY RY' Peterson said:"First you must learn to stack.
Second you must learn to footbreak.
Third you must learn to slide.
Once you have conquered all 3, you can skate the most gnarly of hills"
-Benbro
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Shannon on -
Again, im no expert, but when its all going wrong, I find:
Get down really low, put your hands out in front of you, place them on the ground and superman off the board. You should slide to a nice easy stop (this technique has certainly stopped me from having a hard fall in the past)
Don't run it out, loose your footing and fall from standing position (Seen this one happen a few to many times)
Also, ensure that any stacks are on the low side, don't high side them.
In general, don't be afraid to come off, just ensure that you slide off the board and don't fall (falling can result in out of control somersaults and commando rolls).
Skin grows back (result of sliding off) and doesn't result in permanent damage. Bones break, shoulders dislocate, knees pop, etc, ete (result of falling off) and results in long recovery times and permanent damage.
*Disclaimer* - this is my opinion and not advice :)
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by BJ on -
Shannon. What do you mean by - Also, ensure that any stacks are on the low side, don't high side them.
Shannon said:Again, im no expert, but when its all going wrong, I find:
Get down really low, put your hands out in front of you, place them on the ground and superman off the board. You should slide to a nice easy stop (this technique has certainly stopped me from having a hard fall in the past)
Don't run it out, loose your footing and fall from standing position (Seen this one happen a few to many times)
Also, ensure that any stacks are on the low side, don't high side them.
In general, don't be afraid to come off, just ensure that you slide off the board and don't fall (falling can result in out of control somersaults and commando rolls).
Skin grows back (result of sliding off) and doesn't result in permanent damage. Bones break, shoulders dislocate, knees pop, etc, ete (result of falling off) and results in long recovery times and permanent damage.
*Disclaimer* - this is my opinion and not advice :)
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by BJ on -
Great post Shannon. Thanks.
Shannon said:Hi BJ, I too am an old school skater who still pushes mongo but now footbreaks normally. When people first told me to footbreak non mong, I told them they were dreaming and that it would never happen. However it feels very solid and normal now days. I never even tried to get the hang on the normal push.
Things that I found along the way were:
* Too much weight on the back foot in general, meaning the board tried to turn the moment I tried to lift my back foot. I learnt to place more weight on the front foot, so just get the hang of lifting the back foot for a moment.
* Slippery soles better then grippy ones (grippy ones will try to make you do the splits should you accidentally put too much weight onto it)
* Low (45 degree or less) Baseplate on the back truck with the normal one on the front (Less turney and more stable)
* Ensure your board is wider then the wheels as it helps prevent your back wheel from hitting your foot should it get too far back
* when lowering your foot to the ground/doing the footbreak, it helps to brace it against the board
* Dont piss fart around, get the foot to the ground (more stable then just hanging over the side), do the break and get it back (or foot break to a complete stop)
* The lower the board, the easier it is to footbreak.
The only issue that I have is pushing mong + footbreaking normal sometimes means I cant stomp the footbreak if I happen to be pushing. I need to take the time to swap sides prior to being able to footbreak.
Im no guru on this matter, but that is some of the things I have discovered during my journey.
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by BJ on -
I'd hate to be his right knee in 20 years time!!!
Fitz said:Its commonly known as the Brazilian Footbrake.
Like sean said though it takes longer to get into position to execute. Not so good for emergencies.
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