Newton's Nation 2011
With the festival announcing it is having a year off and will be back in 2012 in April with the first race of the IGSA season; are we seeing a back to basics this year? are we seeing a this year?
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Permalink Reply by Sakamoto on
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Travel time, time off work and financial concerns for the Aussie riders are major areas of consideration when planning events, so events can get good attendance of riders as well as the Aussie's not having to be torn between events. Spacing of events to allow fair attendance needs to be considered.
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Permalink Reply by Adrian Alderson on
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I got a message from Haggy just now and it appears that Newtons will be postponed until April 12 2012 due to the promoters and Council being unable to agree on dates, etc in November.
This now gives us an opportunity to attract some international riders to Oz events. If Bomb were to move to the end of March/early April and BtB were to move to late April/early May then internationals may well make the trek downunder for a 3 event "carnival" of speed in Oz. This will need some very careful consideration and planing but maybe we can turn this into a way of getting our legit events onto an international calendar, much as Europe has 4 events over 3 weeks by having them each weekend for a month.
Just a thought
Ado
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It would be a great opportunity to attract internationals to Oz, Ado....perfect. With the events that close together it becomes very cost effective for them to spend a month here, bunking in with crew and travelling with them.
The downside, realistically, is it becomes very expensive for the Aussie riders to get to these events......travelling across the country 3 or 4 weekends in a row, especially if they have jobs and Families and/or Uni students, etc.
The shear maths would indicate that attendances would be down overall, particularly with the Aussies.
If the events were as close, geographically, as the European events are, it would be outstanding, but some riders would have a round trip of approx 4,000 kilometers for each event, with the majority of riders a minimum of 2,000 kilometers per event.
Adrian Alderson said:I got a message from Haggy just now and it appears that Newtons will be postponed until April 12 2012 due to the promoters and Council being unable to agree on dates, etc in November.
This now gives us an opportunity to attract some international riders to Oz events. If Bomb were to move to the end of March/early April and BtB were to move to late April/early May then internationals may well make the trek downunder for a 3 event "carnival" of speed in Oz. This will need some very careful consideration and planing but maybe we can turn this into a way of getting our legit events onto an international calendar, much as Europe has 4 events over 3 weeks by having them each weekend for a month.
Just a thought
Ado
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As I said, it is just an idea. the Europeans seem to manage to make the events each weekend and the distance from Italy to France/Germany/Scandinavia is substantial too. Europeans, Canadians and Americans seem to be used to travelling to events during the race season and if the scene is to grow here with the same attraction to international riders then local riders need to get used to regular travel and racing. I imagine that as you say some aussies will be unable to make multiple events in close succession, but as the sport grows and there are more riders overall there should still be enough to fill the events.
Good to see a couple of us are looking at this thread mate, seems quiet in here unless you want to sell a Vendetta (;-)>
Sakamoto said:It would be a great opportunity to attract internationals to Oz, Ado....perfect. With the events that close together it becomes very cost effective for them to spend a month here, bunking in with crew and travelling with them.
The downside, realistically, is it becomes very expensive for the Aussie riders to get to these events......travelling across the country 3 or 4 weekends in a row, especially if they have jobs and Families and/or Uni students, etc.
The shear maths would indicate that attendances would be down overall, particularly with the Aussies.
If the events were as close, geographically, as the European events are, it would be outstanding, but some riders would have a round trip of approx 4,000 kilometers for each event, with the majority of riders a minimum of 2,000 kilometers per event.
Adrian Alderson said:I got a message from Haggy just now and it appears that Newtons will be postponed until April 12 2012 due to the promoters and Council being unable to agree on dates, etc in November.
This now gives us an opportunity to attract some international riders to Oz events. If Bomb were to move to the end of March/early April and BtB were to move to late April/early May then internationals may well make the trek downunder for a 3 event "carnival" of speed in Oz. This will need some very careful consideration and planing but maybe we can turn this into a way of getting our legit events onto an international calendar, much as Europe has 4 events over 3 weeks by having them each weekend for a month.
Just a thought
Ado
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lolololol.....yep, I agree.....saves on phone calls talking on here...:)
From the comments made, it's a balancing act, time/distance V internationals/growth.
As we've both said, discussion and consideration is the path to take.
Cheers.
Adrian Alderson said:As I said, it is just an idea. the Europeans seem to manage to make the events each weekend and the distance from Italy to France/Germany/Scandinavia is substantial too. Europeans, Canadians and Americans seem to be used to travelling to events during the race season and if the scene is to grow here with the same attraction to international riders then local riders need to get used to regular travel and racing. I imagine that as you say some aussies will be unable to make multiple events in close succession, but as the sport grows and there are more riders overall there should still be enough to fill the events.
Good to see a couple of us are looking at this thread mate, seems quiet in here unless you want to sell a Vendetta (;-)>
Sakamoto said:It would be a great opportunity to attract internationals to Oz, Ado....perfect. With the events that close together it becomes very cost effective for them to spend a month here, bunking in with crew and travelling with them.
The downside, realistically, is it becomes very expensive for the Aussie riders to get to these events......travelling across the country 3 or 4 weekends in a row, especially if they have jobs and Families and/or Uni students, etc.
The shear maths would indicate that attendances would be down overall, particularly with the Aussies.
If the events were as close, geographically, as the European events are, it would be outstanding, but some riders would have a round trip of approx 4,000 kilometers for each event, with the majority of riders a minimum of 2,000 kilometers per event.
Adrian Alderson said:I got a message from Haggy just now and it appears that Newtons will be postponed until April 12 2012 due to the promoters and Council being unable to agree on dates, etc in November.
This now gives us an opportunity to attract some international riders to Oz events. If Bomb were to move to the end of March/early April and BtB were to move to late April/early May then internationals may well make the trek downunder for a 3 event "carnival" of speed in Oz. This will need some very careful consideration and planing but maybe we can turn this into a way of getting our legit events onto an international calendar, much as Europe has 4 events over 3 weeks by having them each weekend for a month.
Just a thought
Ado
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Permalink Reply by Hank's Place Australia on
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the whole 2011 calender has been removed from the IGSA site, so looks like although no public notification there may not be a newtons 2011......would have thought you boys at ASRA would have hit us with something by now as Newton's Nation seems to be happy to make announcements concerning it and a lot of people are already planning their time off for this year.
Would be great to see ASRA putting a gravity event in its place if it isn't going ahead, or anyone else for that matter if they get enough official notice.
We had started planning for this November on the back of the sponsors we got for our rider bags last year and about to start working with the Uni to use two of their sports science students this year; now who knows?
With the growth of gravity sports in all its disciplines the more notice we all have of events happening or not, has got to improve participation and open the door for other events to replace those canceled...or do I expect too much from governing bodies and associations?
No personal "dig" intended just be good to know what my Association is doing for me
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Permalink Reply by Shane Madeley on
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So, I am confused??
Newtons 20111 Race is off?? On?? or a Maybe??
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It appears 2011 is off, and instead of November 2012, it is April 12, 2012
Really need one of the ASRA Directors to clarify on here as to whats happening, then everyone knows for a surety what they need to plan and find money for.
Shane Madeley said:So, I am confused??
Newtons 20111 Race is off?? On?? or a Maybe??
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Trav on -
Perhaps, nothing is set in stone yet, hence the little feedback / announcements.
Other event organisers that are concerned about new potential date clashes should maybe contact ASRA rather than have a back and forth whinge on an open thread.
I'm sure ASRA isn't holding information to themselves just to screw with everyone's dates..
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The information was made public on the Newton's Nation site and on FB, so it needs to be dealt with publicly.
Sorry Trav, but considering it's in the public domain, this is exactly what people who are concerned, ie, organisers, business owners and riders, are doing....asking ASRA on their own site.
This isn't whinging, it's asking legitimate questions to the people who have the answers.
None of the questions or thoughts expressed so far can be deemed as "whinging"!!!!!!!!!!!
Trav said:Perhaps, nothing is set in stone yet, hence the little feedback / announcements.
Other event organisers that are concerned about new potential date clashes should maybe contact ASRA rather than have a back and forth whinge on an open thread.
I'm sure ASRA isn't holding information to themselves just to screw with everyone's dates..
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Premium MemberPermalink Reply by Trav on -
so discussing it between yourselves is getting you answers then? or is it just fueling more opinions and questions?
all i'm saying is contact ASRA if its such a concern for you, as i would if i was worried about date changes..
Sakamoto said:The information was made public on the Newton's Nation site and on FB, so it needs to be dealt with publicly.
Sorry Trav, but considering it's in the public domain, this is exactly what people who are concerned, ie, organisers, business owners and riders, are doing....asking ASRA on their own site.
This isn't whinging, it's asking legitimate questions to the people who have the answers.
None of the questions or thoughts expressed so far can be deemed as "whinging"!!!!!!!!!!!
Trav said:Perhaps, nothing is set in stone yet, hence the little feedback / announcements.
Other event organisers that are concerned about new potential date clashes should maybe contact ASRA rather than have a back and forth whinge on an open thread.
I'm sure ASRA isn't holding information to themselves just to screw with everyone's dates..
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Permalink Reply by Robbo on
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As Ado has said we have been battling Bathurst Council and to a smaller extant IGSA over dates for 2011, while I don't intend to give a running commentary on this we have proposed provisional dates on 4 occasions and for one reason or another they have been knocked back by the powers that be. Up until about a week ago we have had nothing to announce re: Bathurst as having dates approved has been a difficult process and its generally not appropriate to be making announcements to the public while we are still negotiating with official sporting bodies, various promoters, and Councils.
During this whole process we have also been working on a contingency plan to hold a World Cup downhill event on the original IGSA date for 2011 at another venue. From last November we had provisional approval for an event in the March - May window this year (this was not going to be a World Cup). We have been forced to hold back pushing this through while we have been busy negotiating the Bathurst event. We are now attempting to regig this event to run as a World Cup on the original IGSA date. There is unfortunately a process involved in this and as these are commercial agreements its inappropriate for us to have a running blog on ASRA about these negotiations until we have concrete approval and a contract.
In answer to your question Aych this is what your association has been doing for you for the last 3 months. If somebody wants to run an event and wants to align it with what ASRA does than feel free to contact myself or haggy about this, at this stage nobody has consulted us about any dates before announcing their events so I assume this is a non issue.
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