Events and Formats
Events
- Open Downhill Skateboard
- Woman's Downhill Skateboard
- Junior Downhill Skateboard
- Street Luge
- Classic Luge
- Downhill Inline
Event Formats
Open Downhill Skateboarding
For Open Downhill Skateboarding ASRA is introducing a new race format for the qualifiers. We call it the "triple-tree". It works as follows.
Instead of every rider having two timed runs, each rider will have only one timed run. That run will be used to seed the riders into two trees; one with odd-numbered seeds and the other with even-numbered seeds.
After those two trees have been run, the top 30 riders from each tree will have qualified - they're in the finals. The winner of the odd tree is seeded No.1, the winner of the even tree is seeded No.2, the second place in the odd tree is seeded No.3, and so on.
The riders who have finished in places 31-62 are not out of it yet. They go into the "repecharge tree". Once that tree has been run the four finalists will qualify in the final four spots of the 64-man finals tree.
The finals will be run the same as every other IGSA event.
We're excited about this format. It reduces the time the track is used for one rider at a time, and replaces it with more 4-man racing. For each rider the second timed run is replaced by from two to seven 4-man races.
We also think it will be a very fair system. Riders who get knocked out in the first round of the odd/even trees will still have a chance to qualify via the repecharge tree. The timed run is used to separate riders who are knocked out in the same round.
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Women's Downhill Skateboarding - Finals format to be determined based on the number of riders. The Open Downhill triple-tree will be used as the qualifiers.
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Junior Downhill Skateboarding - Finals format to be determined based on the number of riders. The Open Downhill triple-tree will be used as the qualifiers.
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Street Luge - The format will be similar to the Open Downhill Skateboarding. Refer to the diagram below.
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Classic Luge - The format will be similar to the Open Downhill Skateboarding. Refer to the diagram below.
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Downhill Inline - Format to be determined based on the number of riders. The triple-tree format will not be used.
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Comment by Henry King on September 12, 2010 at 19:53
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this new format is miles ahead of last years, the traditional IGSA format is horseshit! i'm paying a lot of money to race, not roll down a hill by myself!
this is going to be better for the spectators and the riders.
bring it on, cant wait!
dunno who you're talking to Sakamoto, everyone i see thinks the new format is rad!
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Comment by Sakamoto on September 11, 2010 at 18:51
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Thanks Bugs, for your thoughts. The answers you gave to the respective points don't really answer the questions asked, but thanks anyway.
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ASRA Admin Comment by Bugs on September 11, 2010 at 18:07 -
1. The racing format has been changed to address the main issue that most riders have with the traditional IGSA format - that they spend too much time waiting and not enough time racing. The new format will be no less strategic than two timed runs - I'd say there's more strategy involved.
2. I never seriously considered running a 128 person draw with a repecharge. My initial thought is that it would be slower.
3. The triple-tree replaces the second timed run. If the triple tree is rained out, then the second timed run would have been rained out too. There's no difference between the traditional IGSA format and the triple-tree format with this.
4. Riders will get more runs with the triple-tree system than the traditional IGSA system - in many cases they will get a lot more runs. This is what riders have been asking for so I don't see how it's detrimental to them.
5. Not sure what you mean by "first group of heats". The triple-tree is part of the qualifiers.
We (ASRA) have discussed this format at length with the IGSA - in fact it was the IGSA who suggested the basic structure of the triple-tree to us.
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Addition to point 4, sorry guys: with a low point score to show sponsors due to low qualifying time.
Cheers.
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Guys, quite a few riders from ALL disciplines are having problems understanding the "One qualifying run/Triple Tree" format, with these questions/points being the main ones raised. Hoping you could clear them up.
1. The IGSA runs two qualifying runs, as competitors "stratigize" the two runs in case the event is rained out before racing. As this is an IGSA event, why change it now, with only one qualifying run.
2. The "Triple Tree" system is an old "Repercharge" system, with the main event split into two brackets, as opposed to a single column main event with the repercharge running parallel to the main event. Whats the advantage in running a split main event.
3. With only one qualifying run, if a top ranked rider falls and comes last in the timed run, and the event is stopped before the first 16 brackets are completed, based on your figures, and the last timed run qualifier has not raced, he/she will automatically be given last place for the event. Fair?
4. Getting 4 man races happening quicker, due to only a short time of single runs is great for spectators and television, but is potentially detremental to the riders, who've paid big money for potentially only one, possibly two runs.
5.The first group of heats aren't qualifying runs, they are normal racing heats to set up a respective final, ie, 64 or 16 man final series, dependant upon which discipline is being raced.
Just some of the questions being asked, look forward to your clarification.
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ASRA Admin Comment by Bugs on September 10, 2010 at 8:59 -
Merrick - when I said the triple-tree won't be used for Juniors I meant that there won't be a separate triple-tree with just juniors in it. But seeing as both the Juniors and Women race in the Open, they'll race in the triple-tree as part of that. Their results in the triple tree will be used to seed them in whatever format we use for Juniors and Women finals. This is dependent on numbers, and for Juniors it looks like it'll be a 32-person finals tree.
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Comment by Robbo on September 10, 2010 at 0:11
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not sure yet. In all likely hood there will be a 32 tree and if we don't have more than 32 the qualifying will just determine the spread rather than who is in and who is out. Given that nobody will be eliminated from their 1 qualifying run I would confidently predict that you won't have more than 1 timed run. We then have the option of using that run or sending all the groms through the triple tree and see where they place and using that to determine the seed spread. Its something we will work out a bit closer to the event when we know exact junior numbers
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ASRA Admin Comment by Bugs on September 9, 2010 at 16:08 -
You don't have only one qualifying run - you have many. The triple-tree is part of the qualifiers. Your final place in the triple-tree determines your seeding for the finals.
The issue with rain is much the same as it would be with the standard IGSA format. If it's rained out after Day 1, we use the single timed run to determine the result. If it's rained out after Day 2, we use the triple-tree results to determine the result.
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With only one qualifying run, you want to hope you don't screw up. What happens if the event is rained out halfway through, Robbo. With only one timed qualifying run, there is no room for error if picking up your game by having a second qualifying run. The repercharge setup is good, the same as they do for surf events, etc.
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Comment by DazTheCowboy on September 9, 2010 at 12:08
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what's that knocking sound?..............Oh! it's my knee's :)
bring it on!
PEACE!
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Comment by Isaac on September 9, 2010 at 9:37
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Excellent!
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