Australian IGSA World Cup Series

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Premium Member Comment by Dave M on February 10, 2012 at 13:52

Yeh camping sucked last time, but live and learn.

will try and find a quieter and darker spot this time.

any news on if its a dry area again this year?

Premium Member Comment by Dani on February 10, 2012 at 13:03

Do yourself a favor Nic and don't use the Newtons camping, dunno if you have camped there before or if you were in a hotel but it's the pits!

Newtons 2012! Gonna be epic!

Premium Member Comment by Trav on February 10, 2012 at 11:26

IGSA is just the sanctioning body. The race is owned, organised, funds raised and run by ASRA and its handfull of volunteers. Sakamotto whilst you're reading perhaps you should read into some ASRA histroy and lets us know how closely all the disciplines tie in together. 

The people that work closely with the ASRA guys and see just how much work they put in tend to get offensive when people start hassling them about details about an event they would never put on themselves... not talking about just from ASRA forums but from all over. 

Like an event of any scale, it's the organisers event, don't like something, do something about it and make your own event.

Comment by Sakamoto on February 10, 2012 at 11:01

Hop, the history of luge and skateboarding was encapsulated very recently by Marcus, in a dialogue History of the IGSA, I'm sure Haggy would have a copy as Haggy is the Australian Rep. Might I suggest having a look at it, it's very informative.

Everybody knows you only make comments like this, Hop, purely to stir the pot....they have no real purpose other than doing that....

Premium Member Comment by sidecar nic on February 10, 2012 at 10:47

Hop, Im not saying any of that. Your argument that luge is in decline is purely an opinion. Entry numbers for luge have remained fairly constant over the past 10 years. It may not have the current growth that downhill skateboarding has but to say it's in decline isn't correct. That's completely besides the point of this thread though.

I was merely drawing attention to the fact that the reference Robbo made to entry numbers and prize money wasn't completely accurate. People can draw their own conclusions.

I questioned the price of the entry fees for these events earlier in the week and also the prize money split. I got an answer and even though I don't agree 100% with what was said, I've accepted it and left the issue alone now. It's weird that people get so worked up and defensive over minor questions these days and have to respond with such bitterness.  

Premium Member Comment by Trav on February 10, 2012 at 10:27

i think its unfair that only 33% of Australia's Downhill population (ref. to Aus opens ranking numbers) can get a spot to compete, while 100% of the Classic luge population can compete... 

Comment by Hop on February 10, 2012 at 10:15

So what are you saying Sidecar Nic?

Are you saying women's skateboarding is a growing sport and deserves encouragement because half the population are women and are potential competitors and spectators? While luge is a sport in decline, who's competitors are aging and are not adapting to a modern world by changing rules and conditions to encourage young people and women? Are you saying that women need extra support in a sport dominated by men and has a sexist history? Or are you saying that historically lugers have got better prize money and the only way to encourage more middle age men into their garage to create faster luger machines is to provide bigger prize money because they are only motivated by cash?

Premium Member Comment by sidecar nic on February 10, 2012 at 9:26

In all fairness Robbo, there also isn't that much risk of elimination in the Womens standup brackets either if you go off past years results. If you look at entry numbers from the 2010 Newtons there were 6 entries in the womens standup. There were 9 inliners and 26 classic lugers.

Premium Member Comment by Jacko on February 10, 2012 at 8:26

Prize money comes from sponsors, not rego fees. Rego fees help pay for the event, but in total are just a portion of the total event costs, which is also covered by sponsors.

So I guess if u got problems with the prize money contact the sponsors who are throwing in dr the event and let em know ur not satisfied as there is not enough money...

Comment by Robbo on February 10, 2012 at 8:21

Lee you can't seriously be comparing BTB which is a charity freeride session to a World Cup event. The budget for each of these events is over $80,000, I pay over $6,000 in IGSA sanctioning fees for each event, I have a track staff 4 times the size, I require multiple ambulance teams to be stationed on track for 12hrs a day, Entry fees are about the same as every other World Cup Event.

As far as prize money goes the skateboard rego fees and the skateboard sponsors pay for 91% of the budget while they makeup only 80% of the riders. Non-skateboard categories bring in 9% of the budget and get 15% of the prize money. I could have split the street luge prize money between the 3 non-skateboard categories but I would prefer to hold up the luge prize money as I have no intention of giving prize money to a race with only 6 inliners and only 15 Classic lugers who have no threat of elimination during the event and are predominately locally based rather than the events that draw in the bulk of international riders. If luge and inline industry sponsors want to stump up some cash and get behind the event things might be different but at this stage thats not happening.

ASRA makes no profit out of these events, works for nothing and they cost us $160,000 to put on. None of what I say will cut across to the usual ASRA knockers, but nobody but ASRA has ever put on events of this size here so its difficult to explain in full how complicated and expensive these are to put on.

You are of course free to apply to put on your own World Cup Event, source your own money and budget and promote it any way you like.

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