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Hi,

I am looking at getting a new push / pump / cruise longboard.  I was leaning towards something like a Carbon Mummy or a Timeline, on Bennetts 5" of Randals 150mm.  Add to that some risers (wedged, dewedged), 70mm wheels and the right bushings and that should be good.

But then I am wondering how this is going to feel when pushing: top mount + risers is going to be pretty high and thus hard on the knees on long distances, right?

What about drop platform or drop through (I have seen LDP setups based on an Evo...), easier to push but then you lose all the turnyness?

Any ideas welcome.  Thanks!

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So bear with me as I ramble a bit  i haven't been pumping for long but I'll give my impressions on some nice cruiser/pumpers. Ok i have the timeline, mummy and the fibre tech croco. Yes for an LDP setup it is very high - unlike slalom, LDP setups use large amounts of wedging (10-15*). Get a 4.3 instead of a 5.0 it makes learning pumping so much easier though a 5.0 generates a lot more speed on flat land. I do not recommend any of those boards for LDP! They are nice as giant pumpers but the foot platform for your front foot is too far away from the front trucks for long distances (I intend to redrill my timeline to bring the truck closer under foot). Pushing is a pain (but with a pumper you shouldn't need to be pushing!) and in the beginning foot braking is a nightmare (wobbles!!!)

 

The timeline has the stiffest flex (slightly flexier than a vandetta) and the longest wheel base. Its got a nice foot platform at the front but not much where the truck sits which is where you'd want your foot to be. The concave is nice and locks your feet in for hard pumps but it gets a bit uncomfortable after a while.

 

The croco 840 is an awesome pumper as well and a simply spectacularly made board. It has a 1 inch camber, not much cave and a springy flex giving you great energy return. Down side is that it has a small standing standing platform which doesn't allow you to have much leverage over the front truck

 

The mummy is by far the best all rounder. Wide at the front, flat concave making it so comfortable to ride at length and its wedged nose brings your front foot lower and angles it down making pushing really easy. The drop reduces your pumping power and doesn't allow you to get on top of the trucks butttt its way easier to push. The flex is high and in a way saggy (I weight 69kg) which allows it to eat all those nasty vibrations but you don't get much energy return from your pumps at all.

 

The evo is toooo heavy and lacks the stiff flex most LDP's have- might as well go and invest in a subsonic century or g-bomb (unless you already have a evo then go for it!) But its heavy drop will bring the board lower making it easier on the legs for pushing. Yes drop boards reduce the pumping power but makes up for it in pushing power!

Lower = better pushing
Higher = better pumping

That's your basic trade-off. So it depends on what you want to achieve. If you want to travel long distances using the minimum amount of energy, go for the pushing setup. If you like pumping, go for the pumping setup (der).

For easy pumping you want a very turny front truck and a relatively dead rear truck. To achieve that on a low pushing setup you could use a wedge kit with a drop-through board. Something like a Vendetta with Bennetts with a 10 deg front wedge and -10 deg rear wedge. I reckon that'd be a fun setup - very nimble and turny, but still low and easy to push.

I think he has read the blog - hence the Evo LDP reference.

Thanks for all the info guys!  I am in Brisbane so flat is never flat for very long... The odd steep little hill is always around the corner so I would like a setup which is not too twitchy if some speed needs to be taken.  I like the idea of a wedged drop through, although I'd be a bit worried about wheelbite. 

Cents, at the moment I also think The Mummy would be the best all-rounder option - that or a wedged drop through (Vendetta, Hustler, or ?) -. 

I am only used to 180 mm trucks so I am still undecided about 5" Bennetts (4.3" sounds super narrow!) vs 150 mm Randals.  If someone has some of those (and maybe want to sell them!) bring them to the Toohey's Forest event this Saturday and I'll give them a go :-)

Cheers

I have a timeline with 150mm Reverse Kingpin Gullwings and virtually brand new 69mm seismic hotspots i'm looking to sell if your keen?

If your coming from 180mm trucks you might not like the bennetts. I tried 4.3's on it and it just felt wierd to me. I switched to these and the ride was way better. That was just my experience/opinion though. I'm used to reverse kingpins for a longboard feel.

 

Oh and i'm also in brisbane, i won't be at the thing on the weekend though because i have tennis

 

Hey Jack.  Not keen on the seismic, but the Timeline + Gullwings could be interesting.  Do you have some pics and a price in mind?  If you're in Brissy we can catch up anytime.
Yeah i'll add you so we don't clog the forums.
I'll take pics now but i'm more looking to sell as a complete. The seismics are a perfect pumping/grip wheel for it and i don't really have any other use for them atm.
The 4.3 bennett suggestion is only in reference to your pumping desires. A pumper will be more twitchy than say stock RKP front and back. But you will lose pumping power with pure RKPs but you'll be happy with Jack's setup 150 trucks are perfect with the timeline.

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