The future of high level racing in australia? - ASRA - Australian Skateboard Racing Association2024-03-28T08:18:22Zhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/forum/topics/where-is-future-of-high-level-racing-in-australia?groupUrl=members-lounge&feed=yes&xn_auth=nohttps://www.youtube.com/watch…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-28:2144162:Comment:7830722013-02-28T07:35:57.242ZDanihttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/Dani
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<p>This happened to pop up on my Youtube feed today. Obviously he is speaking about street and tranny skating but, Tony Hawk reckons ''the Olympics need skating more than skating needs the Olympics''. Certainly impressive how far skating has come after so many highs and low's (especially early 80's ''death of skateboarding'') and it has created it's…</p>
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<p>This happened to pop up on my Youtube feed today. Obviously he is speaking about street and tranny skating but, Tony Hawk reckons ''the Olympics need skating more than skating needs the Olympics''. Certainly impressive how far skating has come after so many highs and low's (especially early 80's ''death of skateboarding'') and it has created it's own forum for competition out side of the Olympics or any other branch. I always pictured skating as it's own being that evolves in any way it chooses too. People try to push it in one direction or another (be it style, fashion, tricks, even musical links to tricks like hip hop vs rock and roll) but in the end it grows and shrinks naturally. That's not an excuse for laziness though and as Bernie points out and has many times before, more people need to get involved in event organisation.</p> Spot on Bernie.tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-28:2144162:Comment:7828612013-02-28T01:31:52.300ZBugshttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/bugs
<p>Spot on Bernie.</p>
<p>Spot on Bernie.</p> What we have now for skateboa…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-28:2144162:Comment:7828882013-02-28T00:07:51.771Zberniehttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/bernie
<p>What we have now for skateboarding is the Australian Sports Commission)ASC) backing Skate Australia(SA) - SbA as the national sporting association. And as we know SbA don't get longboarding or racing, and are on record as not being in support of skateboarding in the Olympics. </p>
<p>To change this we will need to get close to the Federal Minister for Sport, and point out the international success stories of our skaters and our events.</p>
<p>To get recognised bt the ASC we need to attend…</p>
<p>What we have now for skateboarding is the Australian Sports Commission)ASC) backing Skate Australia(SA) - SbA as the national sporting association. And as we know SbA don't get longboarding or racing, and are on record as not being in support of skateboarding in the Olympics. </p>
<p>To change this we will need to get close to the Federal Minister for Sport, and point out the international success stories of our skaters and our events.</p>
<p>To get recognised bt the ASC we need to attend to all the "corporate governance" compliance that SA have done to get to a position where ASC will sit down with us, and we have to get the Minister for Sport to change their policy position of "<span style="text-decoration: underline;">only one national organisation for skating on wheels</span>"</p>
<p>Alternatively we need to get involved with SA and get longboarders appointed to their board of directors and change the association from within....this might be an easier path because they already have the systems and money and ASC recognition....but be warned it will be a long and tiring job for whoever is brave enough to do it.</p>
<p>The other reason that we need more skateboarders, on the board of SA, because right now it is hard to classify the the board as being truly indepenent, or having any understanding of or desire to support skateboard racing.</p>
<p>Also don't forget that SA is the national sporting association recognised by the Australian Olympic Committee, and from there the IOC.</p>
<p><br/>The trouble with all that is "skateboarders" either not giving a rats or not supporting those that do.<br/> <br/> <cite>Bugs said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.skateboardracing.org.au/forum/topics/where-is-future-of-high-level-racing-in-australia?groupUrl=members-lounge&commentId=2144162%3AComment%3A782663&xg_source=activity&groupId=2144162%3AGroup%3A570904#2144162Comment782663"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>That story about snowboarding largely corresponds with my memory of events. The IOC had faith in the FIS and didn't particularly care that the FIS knew nothing about snowboarding. In contrast they saw the ISF as a bit amateurish and a risk.</p>
<p>The view of most snowboarders was that the ISF would have risen to the occasion, and that the IOC was overly conservative in preferring the FIS.</p>
<p>Terje's boycott was a big deal at the time, but ultimately was for nothing.</p>
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<p>That story about snowboarding largely corresponds with my memory of events. The IOC had faith in the FIS and didn't particularly care that the FIS knew nothing about snowboarding. In contrast they saw the ISF as a bit amateurish and a risk.</p>
<p>The view of most snowboarders was that the ISF would have risen to the occasion, and that the IOC was overly conservative in preferring the FIS.</p>
<p>Terje's boycott was a big deal at the time, but ultimately was for nothing.</p>
<p>That story about snowboarding largely corresponds with my memory of events. The IOC had faith in the FIS and didn't particularly care that the FIS knew nothing about snowboarding. In contrast they saw the ISF as a bit amateurish and a risk.</p>
<p>The view of most snowboarders was that the ISF would have risen to the occasion, and that the IOC was overly conservative in preferring the FIS.</p>
<p>Terje's boycott was a big deal at the time, but ultimately was for nothing.</p> interesting article about sno…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-27:2144162:Comment:7828802013-02-27T11:02:06.323Zhaggyhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/haggy
<p>interesting article about snowboard IOC politics</p>
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<p>interesting article about snowboard IOC politics</p>
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<p>If snowboarding's path to the Olympics is anything to go by, then the lesson to learn is that unless the racing and broader skateboard community really work frigging hard together, then skating will be taken over by someone else... which is pretty much what has happened in Oz already, with Skate Australia and the Sba</p>
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<p>If snowboarding's path to the Olympics is anything to go by, then the lesson to learn is that unless the racing and broader skateboard community really work frigging hard together, then skating will be taken over by someone else... which is pretty much what has happened in Oz already, with Skate Australia and the Sba</p>
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<p>Snowboarding offers an interesting historical perspective, with many rather unexpected parallels. As one of the most popular Olympic events at the 2012 Olympics, it is hard to imagine the contentious path that snowboarding took to the Olympic Games. <br/><br/>During snowboarding’s rapid growth in the 1990’s, the international federation for the competitive aspects of the sport was the International Snowboard Federation (“ISF”). Terje Haakonsen, regarded by many as the best snowboarder ever, found his early fame on the ISF competition circuit (the ISF is separate from and should not be confused with the International Ski Federation, which is the FIS). <br/><br/>In deciding to add snowboarding as an Olympic event in 1998, the International Olympic Committee (“IOC”) controversially decided to name the skiing federation (FIS) as the recognized international federation for snowboarding, instead of the actual snowboarding federation – the ISF. Many professional snowboarders and industry insiders were unhappy with this decision, believing this to be a power grab by the ski federation, who had an existing relationship with the IOC, despite the feeling at the time that the FIS knew little about snowboarding. In fact, significantly and very publicly, Terje Haakonsen boycotted the 1998 Olympic Games, and has never competed in the Olympic Games. All the protests and boycotts did little to elevate the ISF. Instead, as the competitive aspects of the sport shifted to the FIS, the ISF ultimately folded in 2002.<br/><br/>Competitive snowboarding has flourished since its introduction to the Olympics. However, the “commercialization” of the sport has not had the dire consequences with respect to the more artistic aspects of snowboarding that some predicted. In fact, today many professional snowboarders have thriving careers based on film and video shoots, combined with commercial endorsements, without competing in snowboarding contests at all.</p> I played FIFA on playstation…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-25:2144162:Comment:7807152013-02-25T02:31:40.949ZDanihttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/Dani
<p>I played FIFA on playstation Bernie but that doesn't make me a fan of soccer, just a fan of nerding out on console games. I did buy the Tony Hawks game though because I could grind power lines in it which I still can't do in real life. Everyone you mentioned has a tie to skating though. Jacko's mumsie (who I would never diss, haha) is tied to it through Jacko. People who used to skate but can't anymore... Well, they used to skate. You have to admit that it is extremely rare to meet someone…</p>
<p>I played FIFA on playstation Bernie but that doesn't make me a fan of soccer, just a fan of nerding out on console games. I did buy the Tony Hawks game though because I could grind power lines in it which I still can't do in real life. Everyone you mentioned has a tie to skating though. Jacko's mumsie (who I would never diss, haha) is tied to it through Jacko. People who used to skate but can't anymore... Well, they used to skate. You have to admit that it is extremely rare to meet someone who isn't a skater or isn't tied to skating through a friend or family that is a fan of skateboarding and would go out of their way to watch Bondi Bowlarama, or a street comp at the park. Downhill could be different because of the racing aspect maybe? Stats might be easy to get though, what was that mega street comp they had a few months back in the states. Was all over the TV and shit. Wonder if they publish audience stats for that?</p>
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<p>Jacko, I have called myself a professional skater to the media because I feel it has slightly more sway than ''stoney kind who rides boards often''. Any media rep with the faintest grasp of the English language could easily say ''do you work a normal job?'' I would say yes and they would call me out and say ''well you aint a professional then. Like I said, unless you are feeding yourself, paying your bills and travel expenses and what not, you aint a professional. Longboarding has a lot of semi professionals which some years I might classed as perhaps? I don't represent Australian downhill, I happen to be an Aussie who skates but I represent myself and my sponsors. If people see me as repping Aussie downhill that's cool, but I don't aim to be that. I do happen to think I represent myself, my roots and (out of no choice of my own) my country, very well though. I am sponsored because I live a skaters life and that's what my sponsors are interested in. There are plenty of folk out there who skate better, more aggressively and more competitively than I do for sure. My lifestyle choice and community involvement is why brands have chosen to support me. I tried to get sponsored because I knew I wanted to travel non stop and skate non stop but needed some assistance. I looked around until I found the right company for me (Rayne Motherfucking Longboards!) and I stuck with them. Since I signed up with Rayne I have not been seeking or in need of any more sponsorship. So far I have been constantly on the move and skating new places with new people since 2009. Thanks for asking though!</p> Dani, numerous times ive seen…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-25:2144162:Comment:7806252013-02-25T01:37:10.248ZJackohttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/Jacko
<p><span>Dani, numerous times ive seen you refer to yourself as a 'professional' and someone who takes skateboard racing 'seriously' so im quite confused... why are you sponsored? why were you trying so hard to be sponsored? it just doesnt make sense to me, you say one thing then say another... please stop representing Australian Skateboarding racing... your making the rest of us look bad</span><br></br></p>
<p>Also, my mother is an 'idol fan'. you gonna diss old mumsie? i think not... there are so…</p>
<p><span>Dani, numerous times ive seen you refer to yourself as a 'professional' and someone who takes skateboard racing 'seriously' so im quite confused... why are you sponsored? why were you trying so hard to be sponsored? it just doesnt make sense to me, you say one thing then say another... please stop representing Australian Skateboarding racing... your making the rest of us look bad</span><br/></p>
<p>Also, my mother is an 'idol fan'. you gonna diss old mumsie? i think not... there are so many opportunities out there and so much growth going on right before your eyes and your too stubborn and single minded you cant see, your the reason why we dont progress, your views are so negative and stuck in the underground that you will never rise to the top. im sorry but there are a lot of people out there who aspire to be more than just 'skate punks smoking weed and having fun', there are people who do take it seriously and actually have the opportunities to make a living off of skateboarding, i cant believe you used to be one of them and now trash talk it.</p>
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<p>like bernie said, your lucky that you started that with 'in my opinion', and hes very right about the only road block to skateboarding progressing is skateboarders themselves.</p>
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<p><cite>Dani said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.skateboardracing.org.au/forum/topics/where-is-future-of-high-level-racing-in-australia?groupUrl=members-lounge&xg_source=activity&groupId=2144162%3AGroup%3A570904&id=2144162%3ATopic%3A780286&page=2#2144162Comment780618"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>To be a professional it has to be your profession. Skating is far from my profession, I work hard to pay for my travels and my skating. So no, I am not a professional skateboarder and <em>very</em> few people in this world can say that they are one, Short of Ryan Sheckler and his homie G's! I skate for fun, not for serious. I race for closed roads and good times with mates, not for points. So no, I don't take it seriously. All due respect for Bernie, no offense intended, and to Johnny too! <br/> <br/> <cite><br/></cite></p>
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The thing with ska…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-25:2144162:Comment:7807132013-02-25T01:32:31.516Zberniehttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/bernie
<p><cite>Dani said:</cite></p>
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<p><cite>Dani said:</cite></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Skateboarding isn't like that, you can't be a fan of skateboarding and not skateboard</strong></span></p>
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<p>WOW....lucky you prefaced all that with "in my opinion", otherwise, <br/>how would we explain the huge sales of the "Tony Hawk" video game....played by you guessed it....people that don't skate?<br/>and<br/>how exactly would we explain to the several generations of skaters before you, who for whatever reason don't skate anymore, that unfortunately they can't technically be fans of skateboarding?</p>
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<p>In my humble and very flawed opinion, and without resorting to the "back-hander" prefaces of "All due respect" or "just sayin".....</p>
<p><strong>The biggest road block to skateboarding in the olympics is SKATEBOARDERS!</strong></p> You'd get idol fans if skateb…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-02-24:2144162:Comment:7805422013-02-24T23:30:35.246ZBugshttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/bugs
<p>You'd get idol fans if skateboarding was on TV three days a week like the football. Even if it was on once every four years you'd still have a few idol fans in the same way that a lot of Olympic sports do.</p>
<p>The potential fan base is big. I've heard that the men's half pipe is the highest rating event in the US for the Winter Olympics.</p>
<p>You'd get idol fans if skateboarding was on TV three days a week like the football. Even if it was on once every four years you'd still have a few idol fans in the same way that a lot of Olympic sports do.</p>
<p>The potential fan base is big. I've heard that the men's half pipe is the highest rating event in the US for the Winter Olympics.</p>