Longboaring Mt Dandenong, Melbourne - ASRA - Australian Skateboard Racing Association2024-03-29T10:04:18Zhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/forum/topics/longboaring-mt-dandenong-melbourne?commentId=2144162%3AComment%3A793259&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHow old are youtag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-10-14:2144162:Comment:8008702013-10-14T20:31:46.030ZTom Belvedere Bainhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/TomBelvedere
How old are you
How old are you I live in boroniatag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-10-14:2144162:Comment:8006162013-10-14T20:30:31.638ZTom Belvedere Bainhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/TomBelvedere
I live in boronia
I live in boronia dale try out jells park to cu…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-06-29:2144162:Comment:7932592013-06-29T11:13:52.710Zsean meaneyhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/seanmeaney
<p>dale try out jells park to cut your teeth on before moving up to anything too serious</p>
<p>dale try out jells park to cut your teeth on before moving up to anything too serious</p> Hey guys i'm trying to get in…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-06-29:2144162:Comment:7932552013-06-29T06:11:54.379ZDale Smithhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/DaleSmith
<p>Hey guys i'm trying to get into Dh but cant find big hills near melbourne...just wondering if there are any safe hills around Mt Dandenong with not many cars... looking for somthing nice and long around 50km/h -75km/h Thanks.</p>
<p>Hey guys i'm trying to get into Dh but cant find big hills near melbourne...just wondering if there are any safe hills around Mt Dandenong with not many cars... looking for somthing nice and long around 50km/h -75km/h Thanks.</p> Hi Sean,
obviously some peopl…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-05-30:2144162:Comment:7909012013-05-30T12:33:47.990ZJack Khttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/JackK326
<p>Hi Sean,</p>
<p>obviously some people will prefer in-lines and others will be devoted to Harb carvers (a type of 2-row inlines with ski boots). However, no matter what they say you can only turn on them by either making a slight pivoting movement, which is possible due to their short length, or advancing one foot and putting your inlines in a divergent position which simulates an arc.Obviously when you turn you lean into the turn so from the lateral balance point of view it's similar to…</p>
<p>Hi Sean,</p>
<p>obviously some people will prefer in-lines and others will be devoted to Harb carvers (a type of 2-row inlines with ski boots). However, no matter what they say you can only turn on them by either making a slight pivoting movement, which is possible due to their short length, or advancing one foot and putting your inlines in a divergent position which simulates an arc.Obviously when you turn you lean into the turn so from the lateral balance point of view it's similar to carving.</p>
<p>You can clearly see this in your second video above. Carving in skis is possible due to a combination of a side cut and reverse camber. People use inlines because, if you don't count rolling tread grass skis, there have not been too many alternatives which was the motivation for my little project.</p>
<p>Anyway, don't take my word for it. Here's what Mitch who is a K2 and Falls Creek demo skier and coached freestyle Olympians and X-game winners wrote to me:</p>
<p>"I have had experience with roller‐blades and, though some minor likenesses to skiing were<br/>there, the forward and aft support and stability wasn’t and there ends their application as a<br/>serious tool dry‐land skiing. ...</p>
<p><br/>As with a ski, it took me a couple of turns, literally, to find the balance point and how to close<br/>and elongate my trajectory. I was amazed to find that within minutes my natural skiing<br/>ability took over and enabled me to use the Roller Carver in a fashion so similar to skiing it<br/>was uncanny.<br/>After about 15 minutes on a steady slope in a Falls Creek car park, I found myself confident<br/>and wanting to find a larger slope to really give them a go. I went out into the car<br/>park/fringes of the main road and headed down. I was elated. Immediately I was able to<br/>string turns together, both short and long radius. ...</p>
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<p>I noticed straight away that the muscle groups used for carving turns on snow were all being<br/>employed in exactly the same fashion on the Roller Carver. Even upper body positioning was<br/>naturally in the same position as on snow. Being in ski boots and in a ski binding I was right<br/>at home straight away on the Roller Carver and was able to put them on and remove them in<br/>an almost identical fashion to skis.<br/>After a couple of runs down approximately one kilometre of bitumen, I was comfortable and<br/>loving it. I noticed that with very little speed, I was able to go from short radius to long<br/>carving radius turns and really push out of each turn and into the next. On snow this would<br/>require quite a bit more speed and a lot more area."</p>
<p>One of my aims was to enable skiing on rougher surface such as short grass or dirt. Watch this video with Mitch going down a dirt road with loose stones and sand. There is no way he could do something like that on inlines.<br/><br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-1G3jTkUk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-1G3jTkUk</a></p>
<p>and check this one when he rapidly turns into a very rough road<br/><br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aehF-puXd9I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aehF-puXd9I</a></p>
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<p>As far as the fore/aft support is concerned you are more often putting pressure on the tongues of your ski boots than not, especially when you ski steeps. This is not quite possible with inlines.</p>
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</div> Hi JackYour device sounds in…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-05-28:2144162:Comment:7907992013-05-28T13:17:40.505ZSeanhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/Sean
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<blockquote><p>you can only turn by pivoting or positioning your advanced skate into a trajectory divergent from the other one</p>
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<p> It surprises me how many skaters do turn this way, many of whom are good skiers too, but its by no means the only way. Once you have a little speed up (ie 20-30 kph) you can certainly turn in a completely parallel manner very similar to skiing, just roll your knees/ankles. In fact, Bill from Skater HQ is of the opinion that turning on inlines is more similar to carving skis than the older skis. He is a former Salomon ski rep who lived in Aspen for a while so he does have skiing form.</p>
<p>I humbly(!) submit a clip to demonstrate: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRywRMkrFRc" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRywRMkrFRc</a><br/>Here's another clip that demonstrates reasonably well, not always great technique, but see esp 3:30 to 4:30 mark <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48ATawaLDUhttp://" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48ATawaLDU</a>. This guys got 7 wheels by look of it!</p>
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<p>Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that inlines are a pretty good training tool for skiing. While they may not be the perfect simulation, they are simple and easy to use - no need to be driven around, less gear and hassle, good fitness etc. Though being driven up hills is of course awesome no matter what you're riding down on!<br/><br/><br/></p>
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Hey Jack, intere…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-05-19:2144162:Comment:7898222013-05-19T13:26:55.447ZJack Khttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/JackK326
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<blockquote cite="http://www.skateboardracing.org.au/forum/topics/longboaring-mt-dandenong-melbourne#2144162Comment789898"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hey Jack, interesting looking things, are the wheels rubber?</p>
<p>Have you tried inline skates - with 5 wheels they handle very well for ski training, and much simpler than getting around with the ski boots, you can skate back up hills etc.</p>
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<p>Hi Sean,</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.skateboardracing.org.au/forum/topics/longboaring-mt-dandenong-melbourne#2144162Comment789898"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hey Jack, interesting looking things, are the wheels rubber?</p>
<p>Have you tried inline skates - with 5 wheels they handle very well for ski training, and much simpler than getting around with the ski boots, you can skate back up hills etc.</p>
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<p>Hi Sean,</p>
<p>the wheels are rubber, 6-inch pneumatics. I tried 4-wheel inline skates (quite a lot) but the problem with any type of inline skates is that they do not really simulate modern carving ski and you can only turn by pivoting or positioning your advanced skate into a trajectory divergent from the other one. My device has special wheel assemblies with the front based on a pivot caster and the rear synchronised with the former. They turn by tipping on the edge and simulate side cut and reverse camber.</p>
<p>Another problem with in-line skates is that they do not practically provide fore/aft support and my device which is about 3 foot long has plenty of it. I have normal ski bindings and use my ski boots which allows to put pressure on the tongue of the boots like you do when you ski. Last but not least the thing is intended for mild off road conditions such as short grass which is a bit more forgiving than bitumen when you fall. Having said that, it is far more stable than in-line skates.</p>
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</blockquote> Hey Jack, interesting looking…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-05-19:2144162:Comment:7898982013-05-19T08:38:30.832ZSeanhttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/Sean
<p>Hey Jack, interesting looking things, are the wheels rubber?</p>
<p>Have you tried inline skates - with 5 wheels they handle very well for ski training, and much simpler than getting around with the ski boots, you can skate back up hills etc.</p>
<p>Hey Jack, interesting looking things, are the wheels rubber?</p>
<p>Have you tried inline skates - with 5 wheels they handle very well for ski training, and much simpler than getting around with the ski boots, you can skate back up hills etc.</p> I went to Falls Creek on the…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2013-05-07:2144162:Comment:7890412013-05-07T04:47:20.260ZJack Khttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/JackK326
<p>I went to Falls Creek on the Anzac day and caught up with the freestyle ski coach Mitch Smith who gave my improved gear a go. Here's Mitch riding down the 1km stretch of the main resort road.</p>
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<p>I went to Falls Creek on the Anzac day and caught up with the freestyle ski coach Mitch Smith who gave my improved gear a go. Here's Mitch riding down the 1km stretch of the main resort road.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HiyhcMHz24" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HiyhcMHz24</a></p> Hi Louis,
last Sunday I went…tag:www.skateboardracing.org.au,2012-06-04:2144162:Comment:7388652012-06-04T10:20:46.464ZJack Khttp://www.skateboardracing.org.au/profile/JackK326
<p>Hi Louis,</p>
<p>last Sunday I went to the Cardinia Reservoir Park to do some tarmac skiing but found all the entry gates locked due the strike of Parks Victoria staff members. However, the exit gate with spikes in the road was opened so people could walk in and all the roads were free to ride on without cars. I did one run down to the nearest flat section of the road but walking up in the skip boots was not fun so I ended up skiing on the outside no through road and it was quite fun see…</p>
<p>Hi Louis,</p>
<p>last Sunday I went to the Cardinia Reservoir Park to do some tarmac skiing but found all the entry gates locked due the strike of Parks Victoria staff members. However, the exit gate with spikes in the road was opened so people could walk in and all the roads were free to ride on without cars. I did one run down to the nearest flat section of the road but walking up in the skip boots was not fun so I ended up skiing on the outside no through road and it was quite fun see <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-dsoDCUD3FI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-dsoDCUD3FI</a></p>
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